Important information about the servervault *please read*

[stillevande]

It has come to my attention through some testing on the new server that players from the old server may not work on the new one.

SO....a wipe is most likely going to have to happen.

Now, that being said, I don't want to leave everyone of you with nothing in your pockets, youve played with us for a long long time.

So, I am going to allow you to bring back a char from the old servers playerbase at level 5.

Reason for the level restriction on the recreation of the PC is that the new world is exactly that. It will be a brand new world, with new encounters, new area placement, etc. And in all honesty, we are not built for PCs of higher level now.

So, it needs to happen, but as to the details, Im trying to figure it out, and Im looking for insight.

Let me hear your thoughts. I want options.

[star2316]

Level 5, okay i can work with that it tiny lower then my own expectation but alright.

I do have a concern that go hand in hand with keeping old characters

1: What about items from old characters, i guess it the same for everyone that some items do pose history value for the character that was earned through events and character storyline event. Will we be able to get those remade and returned ?.

Another thing and this is maybe just me but i am little concerned about the future of this new spin off/reviving the server in that nwn 1 is very old now and gamespy itself is gone. I guess not everyone share my view but i hope my words will be valued enough to consider here. If you guys really making a new world and all that which is great, i really hope you will slack little on the entire hidden xp bar, having to die or need +4 party to lvl to 15. To attract people and having them to stay then fun have to be a factor over frustrations and mazes or walls to navigate. We easy end placing a trap to ourself by thinking that alot more people will join the server with how thing is for nwn1.

I am not saying make it fast or too easy but compare to how this current server is i do hope you can give that side little slack so even a smaller playerbase can progress and have fun without giving up in frustration along with the smaller playerbase side.

As for options suggestions i can only think of making the cap lvl like i donno 15 for first go then once it work with that cap, you can make what we might call a 'expansion pack' and add new maps that support up to 20, then raise the cap to it. Do it in stages.

[stillevande]

Details I know not. Only thing I know is that it is plausible to move the servervault over, but there are technicl issues along the way, on top of the new server not built for players that level.

As for the details, you will have to wait for Sakki to reply. As Lead DM, she will have ultimate decision on how its going to work.

I just had to break the news. :/

[AlphaDelphi]

Also I believe going from PRC 3.3 to 3.5 would cause a number of issues with PCs as well. I think a number of things were adjusted that would make some characters bugged.

So, what about former players that somehow their characters can't be located?

[Nakamura Sakura]

Keep in mind guys that nothing is set in stone. There's still a lot of discussion to be done about this but trust me, I know where you're coming from. I've played here as long as some of you but the problem is server balance. However, I will work with everything in my power to ensure that RP is intact, that the hard work of the characters that took a large part in the war plot will still be valid and that your achievements will still be valid as well. The problem is that something must be done because a) the server was left inactive for so long and b) that's gonna cause some mechanical imbalance when new players come in and see a bunch of epics running around and no other newbies to hang out with.

We have a lot of options that can be considered and implemented. But, I'm on your side, believe me. I spent four years on this module establishing a character. That's not something any of us are going to take likely.

Below are just a few ideas that staff proposed:

A) We let old players pick one old character to grandfather in. We'll allow them to keep a certain amount of gold, a few items (ones that shape the character and are significant to RP--trust me, I have those too) and let them delevel to about level 10. The other choice could perhaps be an RCR method. What I mean by this is that if a player wishes to delete an old character and allow for a new character to retain a few items that follow the new item guidelines, a bit of gold and perhaps up to level 5, we can do that.

B) We proposed the idea of a server wide event that would lead us into the "new" revised module and relaunch. This would give the oldies and newbies a chance to collaborate and have another crack at the server plotline. Could also include elements of proposal A.

C) PRC 3.5 is a necessary update because...well, the server has been sitting around for five years. Will there be bugs? Yes. But c'mon, we're DD Moonsea. I remember when we used to update in the past. We have a smaller team now but I think between us players and figuring out the bugs, they can be fixed. It was done in the past, there's no reason why we can't do it now. As far as classes not working, I propose that if that's the case, I would allow for character remakes with different classes until the bugs can be hunted down and squashed.

D) If your characters can't be located within the vault, I propose that we allow those characters to be remade and given enough gear to go along their way in the PW. The same with gold and XP. We do have character records on the forums to refer to...I'll look into your sign in, Alpha and shoot you a PM if I find anything.

E) Item guidelines are still being ironed out but I think the census on those is that we do need to weaken some of those a bit to make it appropriate for the relaunch and the setting.

Feedback is more than welcome, I'm here to listen. We're not here to make things frustrating but unfortunately, relaunching is part of the beast because we were down for so long. Nothing is yet set in stone so don't freak out! There's plenty of time to figure this all out.

[star2316]

Sept 7, 2014 10:48:59 GMT -6 Nakamura Sakura said:

Keep in mind guys that nothing is set in stone. There's still a lot of discussion to be done about this but trust me, I know where you're coming from. I've played here as long as some of you but the problem is server balance. However, I will work with everything in my power to ensure that RP is intact, that the hard work of the characters that took a large part in the war plot will still be valid and that your achievements will still be valid as well. The problem is that something must be done because a) the server was left inactive for so long and b) that's gonna cause some mechanical imbalance when new players come in and see a bunch of epics running around and no other newbies to hang out with.

We have a lot of options that can be considered and implemented. But, I'm on your side, believe me. I spent four years on this module establishing a character. That's not something any of us are going to take likely.

Below are just a few ideas that staff proposed:

A) We let old players pick one old character to grandfather in. We'll allow them to keep a certain amount of gold, a few items (ones that shape the character and are significant to RP--trust me, I have those too) and let them delevel to about level 10. The other choice could perhaps be an RCR method. What I mean by this is that if a player wishes to delete an old character and allow for a new character to retain a few items that follow the new item guidelines, a bit of gold and perhaps up to level 5, we can do that.

B) We proposed the idea of a server wide event that would lead us into the "new" revised module and relaunch. This would give the oldies and newbies a chance to collaborate and have another crack at the server plotline. Could also include elements of proposal A.

C) PRC 3.5 is a necessary update because...well, the server has been sitting around for five years. Will there be bugs? Yes. But c'mon, we're DD Moonsea. I remember when we used to update in the past. We have a smaller team now but I think between us players and figuring out the bugs, they can be fixed. It was done in the past, there's no reason why we can't do it now. As far as classes not working, I propose that if that's the case, I would allow for character remakes with different classes until the bugs can be hunted down and squashed.

D) If your characters can't be located within the vault, I propose that we allow those characters to be remade and given enough gear to go along their way in the PW. The same with gold and XP. We do have character records on the forums to refer to...I'll look into your sign in, Alpha and shoot you a PM if I find anything.

E) Item guidelines are still being ironed out but I think the census on those is that we do need to weaken some of those a bit to make it appropriate for the relaunch and the setting.

Feedback is more than welcome, I'm here to listen. We're not here to make things frustrating but unfortunately, relaunching is part of the beast because we were down for so long. Nothing is yet set in stone so don't freak out! There's plenty of time to figure this all out.

As i said lvl 5 is liitle lower then my expecation but personally it still okay for me. I agree if the server can get a more fresh start and better/new layout it better.

If i might propose something, As for old character it might be idea to allow two character to be grandfathered in. I guess i am not the only who have a deep Alt character. As for level again, lvl 5 is doable as i mention. The RCR method probably work better here though.

As for items maybe a idea can be players is allow to select i dunno , 3-item and using the new item guidelines for the remake. I hope i am right that must of us would not die if our item get adjusted just as long we keep such item for the achievement and history the item means for our character.

I am perfect aware we have a very small team at this which is why i tried to give the suggestion of doing the build is stages. Aim for support and maps to like ..say lvl 15 first, give it some time to fix bug and script then slowly work on new maps and that to support to lvl 20 without adding them to the server until it all ready. When it ready , add everything like some sort of expansion pack. This stage idea allow a smaller team to do it without stress of also having to bug fix and all that in the same time too much.

[docholiday]

Lower level module?

Fine by me!

Level 5 start for grandfathered character?

Love it! I approve

Items?

Frankly they aught to be re-mastered by DMs to fit the new world.



Frankly I think a new module with new areas and new lore aught to be graced with new characters. We all love our old ones, sure, but they had their world and their adventures... it's important to flex our creative muscle with new characters to keep things fresh. Otherwise we will be trying to fit the legends we've made of our long forgotten characters into a world designed for more modest types. Let old legends live in fond and vague memories so that new legends may be born in the crucible of a new world.



Consider the current successes in NWN1... those places that continue to show a population over 20 ALL DAY LONG (and night)

1. You can't please everyone, if you try.. you will please no one ... and no one will play

That means you must know WHAT you want to make.. and we as players need to get off our vainglorious butts and enjoy the module for what it is.. not what it is not.


2. Quality, Quality, Quality.... oh and content

Take the best, implement it, make it immersive and forget the cheap stuff. NWN has been around long enough that we don't need quantity of junk.. we need quality of stuff. Even with a little.. much creativity may be had. Even if it LOOKS nice.. if it isn't functional.. forget it... Quality is not always about nice looking... (though it is part of the equation).. it's also about usefulness and functionality.


I'll post more as I have thoughts on it

[AlphaDelphi]

This all sounds good to me.

Even had I found my characters I would likely have started a new one when the server finally moved to 3.5 PRC. I love warlocks but I'd like the opportunity to play a warlock/cleric/Eldritch Disciple so that would be my main character.

Also, I'd offer to lend a hand in helping with script integration, hak updating, and some minor building as needed. I have decent knowledge of the PRC and the scripts within it as well as knowledge of NWNX2 and MySQL database design. I'm not the best at any of these things but I can be of assistance.

[stillevande]

Sept 7, 2014 19:44:39 GMT -6 AlphaDelphi said:

Also, I'd offer to lend a hand in helping with script integration, hak updating, and some minor building as needed. I have decent knowledge of the PRC and the scripts within it as well as knowledge of NWNX2 and MySQL database design. I'm not the best at any of these things but I can be of assistance.

We very well may take you up on that offer. There is a lot on the table to update her.

[Anulen]

Level 5? Fresh start for an old char? Totally down. Starting "The Good Old Days" over again sounds fun!

[stillevande]

Im so glad everyone thats posted on this thread seems supportive of this unfortunate set of circumstances.

Whats everyone else's ideas over this?

[terent]

I am new to the server, but I am glad veterans are cool with this. It means I can start right up as newbies alongside them.