INPUT - Outright banned PRC races/classes

[stillevande]

We are working on the list of restricted/banned PRC races and classes, and I'd like to know that your thoughts about this is.

So, let us know which classes and races should be outright banned. Mind you, anything posted here may or may not be put into consideration of the final outline of banned races/classes. This is just wanting player info.

Please remember, this is everyones opinion, so please do not make this a flame war. No one is right or wrong here. There is no need to tell someone that they are wrong, because its their opinion.

So please remember that, and be respectful.

www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/

[artemishadow]

I'm going through the list of different races right now, right now it looks like any of the really high LA races (9+) tend to have REALLY unbalancing bonuses, not to mention spell likes and other types as well as some of them have DR and/or SR. Bralani Eladrin would be one that comes to mind at first.

[artemishadow]

Troll is definitely out of bounds, those stat bonuses are immense for any character, even with the negatives (which hardly outweigh the bonuses lol)

Brownie I think should be banned, their stat bonuses aren't that great because they would have low damage output, but HiPS at level 1 is a bit overpowered considering you have to take 4 levels of SD to even have it.

That looks like all of the OP races, though I may have missed some so if somebody goes back through and reads through the list again, please post anything you think may be OP in addition to what I've added here.

[Anulen]

I play(ed) a Brownie for quite a while. Thistle Bramblefoot....and while I don't see them as an outright illegal race, I can see it being heavily guarded by the Admins. I feel that anything that doesn't fit with the Universe Setting should obviously be a No-Go. Kinder are not Forgotten Realms....nor are Warforged, and as such, have no place in a Forgotten Realms setting. And I believe that any race with an ECL over 6 should either be illegal or another closely guarded race.

As for classes, obviously anything broken or overly bugged. Non-setting classes, and classes are just blatantly over powered should either be illegal, or again, guarded by the Admins.

I'm well aware that there are exceptions to every rule. And, to keep people happy, sometimes rules need to be bent or broken.

[artemishadow]

Like I said, reasoning for banning brownie should be obvious, even though it's an LA 4, the free HiPS at creation eliminates an entire class and makes any sneaker type way overpowered early on with it, you really don't even have to be a good sneaker because you can just abuse it in combat.

Some of the other races though really aren't that bad, the LA 6 and below aren't exactly game breaking but do have some nice bonuses (Khaasta comes to mind)

In any case, instead of me rambling about bonuses and what not, I suppose I should educate myself on some of the lore of the server that way I have an idea of what fits the server, but if we're moving away from Forgotten realms, yet still retaining some of the faerunian lore. . . *scrathes head* Still trying to figure that one out tbh.

Could either ToN or Eldwen please post something here that may hint at what the lore is going to be like for the new server? That way I'm not shooting blindly?

Matt

[docholiday]

Well anything that doesn't fit the setting aught to go.

As for classes... Removing the Psion classes

I should also suggest reviewing the classes and races based on what fits the setting and power level of the module.

Some of the classes are awesomely fun.. but not everything has a place in a module that focuses on telling a story.

(also taking this moment to suggest the forum be cleaned up of all old posts and renewed)

[artemishadow]

Sept 10, 2014 14:38:15 GMT -6 docholiday said:

Well anything that doesn't fit the setting aught to go.

As for classes... Removing the Psion classes

I should also suggest reviewing the classes and races based on what fits the setting and power level of the module.

Some of the classes are awesomely fun.. but not everything has a place in a module that focuses on telling a story.

(also taking this moment to suggest the forum be cleaned up of all old posts and renewed) I second that notion

[Nakamura Sakura]

I can likely tell you that Psion classes will remain banned. As for lore, some of it's already posted.

[Anulen]

Even after taking all the levels, all the feats, all the time....I can easily log into Noc right now, and abuse the ever living holy @#$% out of HiPS. Level doesn't matter on abuse or exploitation. A Brownie Warrior is going to get pretty much a whole lot of nothing from having HiPS at level one...

[AlphaDelphi]

Here is my suggestion. The races are those that don't fit the setting for the most part

Races
-Rakshasa varieties
-Athasian Dward
-Athasian Elf
-Athasian Half-Elf
-Athasian Half-Giant
-Athasian halfling
-Baaz Draconian
-Brelani Eladrin
-Dark Dwarf
-Drider (I'd say make it possible as per the normal means of becoming one, and done by DM supervision only)
-Grig
-Hound Archon
-Ilithid
-Irda
-Kagonesti
-Kapak Draconian
-Kender
-Krynn Half Ogre
-Krynn Minotaur
-Pterran
-Silvanesti


Classes
-Psionic classes(Soulknife and Pyrokineticist exempted since they don't really use psionic spells)
-Lich(Should be a Retired PC to NPC option)
-Baelnorn(Should be a retired PC to NPC option)
-Dread Necromancer past the point they get lich
-Monster Classes unless to fulfill ECL(Plant, Vermin, etc)

[aalnyar]

Since you guys are wanting to go Ravenloft why not any that have not been noted in the Raven loft mods and books. since the description of that demi plane is pretty interesting and add Prc as you guys decide what fits and what doesn't

[AlphaDelphi]

Sept 12, 2014 12:01:52 GMT -6 aalnyar said:

Since you guys are wanting to go Ravenloft why not any that have not been noted in the Raven loft mods and books. since the description of that demi plane is pretty interesting and add Prc as you guys decide what fits and what doesn't

I made my post but somehow had missed the idea that it's more of a Ravenloft setting.

As Aalynar somewhat said, Raveloft touches all realms, I believe. I guess it's possible to have cross setting races/classes.

[neosporin]

In terms of a Ravenloft setting, I addressed the issue before. The lore for the relaunch has not been released yet, and we are taking setting into account. We are looking for opinions due to "this class or race is too powerful" or "this class/race should be apped because a lot of roleplay or <other reason> is required". The mod as it currently stands (the playable one) is already in the Ravenloft setting, as most people have noticed the mists, themes, etc.

Once we have official lore and timeframe for when the new mod is taking place, PrC based on lore will be more of an issue.

[aalnyar]

I would think any Prc that require's a teacher would be pretty hard to have since if you don't start out as one how will you find a teacher in the proposed setting to teach you unless its a Dark Power just messing with you >_> <_<

[stillevande]

Sept 12, 2014 12:46:48 GMT -6 aalnyar said:

I would think any Prc that require's a teacher would be pretty hard to have since if you don't start out as one how will you find a teacher in the proposed setting to teach you unless its a Dark Power just messing with you >_> <_<

Indeed. Thats why we aren't looking for banned races based on lore, we are looking for banned races purely from a technical aspect.